Futures based paper products don’t lead to natural price discovery. There’s so much the players can manipulate on these paper products, which will be fixed in a physically-backed ETF.

In response, Caitlin Long expressed:  Yep, but physically backed ETFs also foster spot price manipulation. As I’ve said for yrs, Bitcoin ETF approval is a double-edged sword.  It brings liquidity, but also brings Wall Street style manipulation and price suppression.

Community response:  I don’t see ever any logic here. Crypto is the Wild West, when it comes to manipulation. How does having liquidity in a more regulated market make the manipulation worse?

Crypto markets are way more manipulated than any other asset class. Adding an ETF would only dilute the manipulation.

Supply is real with bitcoin paper copies won’t bring more real supply, but can’t the paper push around the price like in gold and silver? I think they will try but will soon discover that the underlying asset isn’t as elastic as gold and silver with a significantly lower inflation rate and stock flow.  Also, gold and silver aren’t 100% auditable by everyone on the planet at all times.

How does a spot ETF foster price manipulation? I don’t really understand the logic here. Most likely, the ETF would simply be buying and storing Bitcoin every single day of its existence.

What do you think the manipulation would look like? With the open source monetary policy and public blockchain ledger, I think any manipulation would have to be very short lived. They can’t create millions of ‘paper’ BTC like the precious metals markets.

Yeah but unlike gold and silver we can completely verify the total supply, and punish manipulation out of these honest markets. If on-chain metrics unanimously say one thing, futures manipulation will be that much easier to rectify, no?

Wall Street can short BTC through the floor. My guess is they want to hammer the BTC price down and drive everyone back to USD. Same way they control all commodities.

ETF is a double edged sword, and anyway there’s a lot of manipulation. So, ETF is nothing significant to care about? If the ETF would hurt bitcoin price more than it would help it, the US would have approved it several years ago.

Hard manipulation like in gold/silver market not possible: Withdraw your BTC from the exchange, as soon as supply dries up the price explodes.

With an BTC ETF, have you removed legal tender? Been thinking on this one and I’m not so sure an BTC ETF is the best thing for BTC in the long run. There is always two sides of a coin.

How can spot price with proof of reserve be manipulated? And how can we move past the financial products created out of thin air, and toward the purpose crypto was created for?

We already have manipulation and suppression in BTC – The Futures-ETF will only serve to deepen that manipulation/suppression. So, Qui Bono? This is not about investors folks!